Posted by Kate Phizackerley on Tuesday, March 22, 2011

John Bright asked me to post a picture of this head in relation to the ongoing discussion in comments.  The photo shows the mask that is being variously described as showing Yuya, Ay and even Amenhotep son of Hapu.

The photo was supplied by John's daughter and he believes there are no copyright restrictions which prevent me from posting it.  My thanks to John.

38 comments:

Stuart Tyler said...

Nice photo - it reminds me of Senwosret III's Middle Kingdom statutory:

http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/works-of-art/26.7.1394

Thanks for sharing it,

Stuart

Marianne Luban said...

It is definitely Amenhotep III. This identification is much easier to make from a profile view of the mask. Trust me--I have been concentrating on New Kingdom royal images for well over a decade. Amenhotep son of Hapu's images [statuary] bore the face of his master, the same Amenhotep III. There is no way to recognize that official as there are no portraits with his own face. I will try to find a profile view of the A III mask. I have one here, but no scanner, unfortunately.

rymerster said...

There are some "mature" images of Amenhotep III that remind me of that face e.g. this one from the British Museum:

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_E4cZautRIiM/SMAYLgyvG4I/AAAAAAAAAjc/iZHNB3Ir6vY/DSC_9987_20080904_200231.JPG

rymerster said...

Oh, see this!

http://www.touregypt.net/images/touregypt/science2-5.jpg

This is the same face, Amenhotep Son of Hapu.

Marianne Luban said...

Oh, Lord--we are running amok with images here. Once again, Amenhotep son of Hapu was portrayed with the face of Amenhotep III--as was customary! I have a beautiful image here of a man called Tjay [ebony statue] that has the face of the pharaoh, as well. During the last part of his reign Amenhotep's statues no longer resembled him at all, This is what is called his "juvenalizing period"--completely idealized. Study the various portraits of A III and you will come to recognize him in all his phases:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_ZqzZuWXCeiU/S6Q-Js_5YPI/AAAAAAAAAEU/bXfFC8ouKfE/s1600-h/008.jpg


http://wysinger.homestead.com/amenhotepiii.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mVqz548mHk

These are images that most people don't even know exist. Don't pay attention to the person in the video who says that the ebony statue of the king in the Brooklyn Museum is an "aging man". It's not so--that was a young pharaoh. All the men of the family tended to be heavy in the mid-section according to their images.

John Bright said...

The Berlin Museum leaves the identification as unknown. It does, however, think the mask was made from a live person. Would a pharaoh be such a sitter? Also if it was a live person, it presupposes Amenhotep III was alive at Amarna. The Museum also argues that the eyes, which are open, were carved after the sitting. Other faces in the collection are clearly cast from statuaary of some form such as a head identified as Akhnaten. There is a female looking head which has recesses where the eye sockets and eyebrows should be. The way that head is bordered suggests the possibility it is from a coffin mask..... but that is only a suggestion.

John Bright said...

When clearances were made in front of Karnak's Tenth Pylon, a series of statues of Amenhotep son of Hapu were uncovered.They show him seated in a scribal pose. This was probably not their original location as they were resting on debris (eclats de pierre, I think the caption said). The faces are distinctive and do not resemble statues of Amenhotep III as, for example, portrayed on the pair of quartzite heads in the British Museum which originated at Thebes

Marianne Luban said...

@John, the quartzite heads of Amenhotep III in the British Museum

http://www.britishmuseum.org/explore/highlights/highlight_objects/aes/q/quartzite_head_of_amenhotep.aspx

are from his "juvenalizing" period and there are no actual portraits of the king from that period--just idealized images. If people want to believe that the "distinctive" face of Amenhotep son of Hapu [and it certainly is!] is his own, I suppose nothing will dissuade. But the mask on this very page is the same one upon which I superimposed the outline of the skull of Amenhotep III, which matched at all points. In profile, this mask has the snub nose so characteristic of that king and repeated so many times in images of his subjects, men and women. Maybe I can find the piece of the tomb wall that the BM returned to Egypt because the lady depicted on it fit this description.

Marianne Luban said...

Here is the lady of the tomb wall, page 56 of this book:

http://tiny.cc/pjmm5

She has the face of Amenhotep III.

John Bright said...

Clearly, Marianne, we will not agree on this.

s stockwell said...

Speaking of Amenhotep Son of Hapu, this is interesting from Wikipedia:

"Manetho however gives a legendary account of how Amenhotep advised a king Amenophis, who was "desirous to become a spectator of the gods, as had Orus, one of his predecessors in that kingdom, desired the same before him". This Amenophis is commonly identified with Akhenaton, while Orus fits with the latter's father, Amenhotep III. Manetho relates that the wise man counseled that the king should "clear the whole country of the lepers and of the other impure people" and that the King then sent 80,000 lepers to the quarries. After this the wise man foresaw that the lepers would ally themselves with people coming to their help and subdue Egypt. He put the prophecy into letter to the King and then killed himself. Manetho associates this event with the Exodus of the Israelites from Egypt but Josephus strongly rejects that interpretation."

Patrick said...

The mouth (sac) and the almond-shaped eyes are clearly Amenhotep III's, and the longer shape of the face not unlike some late representations of his, e.g. the one in the main court of the British Museum.
The fact that the 'mask' was found in Thutmose's studio in Amarna could have different interpretations: for example, that Am. III was living in Akhetaten (for the co-regencyists) or, perhaps more likely, that he, though dead, was The Aten which his son worshipped. Or, failing that, that the king simply wanted to have an image of his famous father.

Marianne Luban said...

May I refer to you as "Stockwell"? Seems odd just to write "S". Anyway, the remarks of more than one ancient historian point to an exodus during the reign of Akhenaten. It's all contained in my book "The Exodus Chronicles".

In addition, I forgot about the one actual surviving realistic portrait from late in the reign of Amenhotep III. This one is from Amarna and shows the aging and ailing pharaoh slumping in his chair with Tiye seated beside him.

Anonymous said...

Juvenalizing: is that English? Do we mean rejuvenated or are we referring to Juvenal? In that case, is the head of Amenhope III a thre dimensional satire?

Marianne Luban said...

Actually, it's spelled "juvenilizing". Happy now?
Since this site lacks a spell checker, perhaps you could appoint your anonymous self and at least make some kind of contribution.

John Bright said...

The British Museum has at least four heads of Amenhotep III. The two large quartzite ones in the Central Court and two in granodiorite that are placed on either side of the entry into the Sculpture Gallery. One of the granodiorite ones has the name BELZONI carved on the rear of the throne. I once asked permission to take a rubbing of this with a class of children but was refused. The BM doesn't seem to be keen on Belzoni. That is a pity as I find him quite a character. The museum in Padua has a Sekhmet statue he brought back. Probably something that would be described as non-PC nowadays.

Marianne Luban said...

Here is the stela I wrote of:

http://www.britishmuseum.org/explore/highlights/highlight_objects/aes/s/shrine_stela_of_amenhotep.aspx

Click to enlarge. The image of Tiye is very fragmentary but not that that the robe of the king is red. Very unusual, but in another scene Aye wears a red kilt, as well.

rymerster said...

The British Museum used to house this stela in a case with a "juvenilizing" bust wearing a Nubian style wig (though it was not inscribed it was clearly AIII's features) and also a very interesting gypsum cast of an old man's face. I have a photo of that, I'll scan it tomorrow - it is different to any of the ones on Flickr, clearly a very old face with sunken cheeks and the kind of jowly look that people with no teeth have. I've been looking online for a picture of that mask with no avail. It is on the BM database but not on display anymore.

rymerster said...
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rymerster said...

here is the aged face I've been looking for that used to be on display with the stela of Amenhotep III:

http://www.britishmuseum.org/research/search_the_collection_database/search_object_details.aspx?objectId=152409&partId=1

Kate Phizackerley said...

That is very similar to the Tutankhamun coffin face. Very, interesting.

Marianne Luban said...

http://www.britishmuseum.org/research/search_the_collection_database/search_object_details.aspx?objectId=152409&partId=1

Maybe that's the real Amenhotep son of Hapu, who lived to be eighty.

rymerster said...

Kate's comment above referred to another link I shared that has been deleted. The picture probably deserves separate consideration. I can't believe it, or the old man's face, are not on display in the BM.

Strangely, I couldn't find the young representation of AIII that was displayed with the stela, it may have been on loan.

Kate Phizackerley said...

Sorry I thought I'd removed a duplicate

John Bright said...

@Marianne: Returning to Amenhotep son of Hapu, I receive a magazine called "L'Egypte". Needless to say it is in French so I am not sure of its availabilty worldwide, but it does seem to be sold in Canada according to the pricing information. Issue 17 (Cover date Decembre 2009) has an article on the work of Joseph Davidovits. Do you know of him?

Stephanie said...

About the "old face": great piece I have never seen before. I am a bit puzzled by the many scratches or strokes carved onto the uper eyelids. Could they mean that this is a woman? When women reach a very old age their features often appear somewhat male, and here we have a sculpture too, which makes it even harder to tell.
There are still remains of heavy-lidded eyes recognizable. Speaks for Tuya but on the other hand she didn`t have such a fleshy nose.
It can of course just as well be a man, but who? AIII wasn`t that old and toothless, AFAIK he had "only" lost his incisors.

@rymerster
Is it possible that you give a link to see the picture of the mask which Kate said was like Tut`s coffin?
I get more curious the more new faces are emerging.

The museums really don`t do a good job if they keep such interesting pieces from the public. Even if they can`t label them att all,still they should be accessible for all.

John Bright said...

There have, in the past, been open days when museums open parts of their stores to the public. The London Transport, Imperial War Museum and Science Museums have out stations that do this regularly. On a Teachers' Day I once went into some of the back rooms at the BM but the store was off limits, The Institute of Archaeology has an amazing store that is open to students and staff only. The Petrie Museum used to have special openings if you were attending summer schools in which you handled objects and even had the chance to string a Pre-Dynastic necklace. I guess it is all a matter of money, but at least with small objects they could be rotated around.

rymerster said...

Here it is - on comparison it looks more like Tut's 3rd coffin - compare this:

http://www.britishmuseum.org/research/search_the_collection_database/search_object_details.aspx?objectId=117243&partId=1

with Tut's 3rd coffin:

http://heritage-key.com/files/assets/egypt_coffins_third.jpg

Very curious that the piece owned by the British Museum was found in 1843, well before Tut's tomb, KV55 or even (officially) the mummy caches. Scroll down the page at the BM site you can see the piece from a few more angles in high resolution.

Kate Phizackerley said...

Thanks Paul - and sorry again.

For me that picture calls into question the theory that an ancestor's tomb was raided to provide Tutankhamun's coffins. An equally plausible theory would be that an assemblage was quickly created from unused spares and combined with the generic royal coffin body.

Stephanie said...

Thanks to rymerster for this picture. I don`t know if I
remember right, but I think the mask/face is not on display?
If it was I am sure I would have noticed it.
The piece is beautiful in its simplicity. As the wood seems to be well polished I guess it was never gilded or painted. Striking the choice of dark wood which conveys the impression of dark skin, not the usual red or yellow.

Although it really resembles much the face of Tut`s third coffin, especially its profile, I refrain from guessing whom this mask may represent. Anyone else wants a go?

BTW, can anyone make out which headdress was attached or intended to be attached to it?

s stockwell said...

More on the masks of Amarna and Queen Tyi's feathers restored. displays look beautiful - cool site

http://www.egyptian-museum-berlin.com/c52.php

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